tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post1484409679609938653..comments2024-03-04T16:50:15.828-08:00Comments on Hungry Tiger Talk: Map of Oz Monday - The LOST PRINCESS MapDavid Maxinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12672089188117065118noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-32074309860386556462022-01-06T18:56:27.535-08:002022-01-06T18:56:27.535-08:00Interesting point! That is the first time I've...Interesting point! That is the first time I've seen Baum flip back to "conventional" compass directions.David Maxinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12672089188117065118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-89468465587557011182021-06-08T10:36:15.862-07:002021-06-08T10:36:15.862-07:00I’m coming in nine years late, but for completenes...I’m coming in nine years late, but for completeness’ sake we should mention another problem with this map and the text of “Lost Princess.” In Chapter 14 of that book, the Frogman tells a Winkie woman that the land of the Yips is "on a high mountain at the southeast of your country." That would seem to follow the map, but only if the compass directions are conventional (that is, east is right and west is left). If the map is reversed, as suggested above, then the country of the Yips would be in the southwest of the Winkie Country, not the southeast.<br />Josiah Rowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618215340012997051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-88458798904432809962012-04-21T08:35:20.983-07:002012-04-21T08:35:20.983-07:00I agree; the fact that both Tik-tok maps and the L...I agree; the fact that both Tik-tok maps and the Lost Princess map have the same E-W orientation is strong evidence that it was Baum's intention. I always suspected he was yanking our chains a bit on this--after all--he had such an imagination--why not make Oz unique in this way? What I wonder, though, is if there are any existing Baum letters to children discussing this point--surely they must have asked him? What a find if they're out there.Cindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08850753097882230831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-24979351012073892152012-04-19T12:35:46.151-07:002012-04-19T12:35:46.151-07:00@Sam - No, who'd be irritated! Most Oz maps (t...@Sam - No, who'd be irritated! Most Oz maps (the OZ club's etc.) are set up that way. If you mean putting the Munchkins in the West - some people might balk.<br /><br />I don't think I know what RETURN TO OZ: JUNIOR NOVEL you mean nor what map is in it! I'd be happy to have a scan!David Maxinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12672089188117065118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-33096915717780385382012-04-19T03:45:06.594-07:002012-04-19T03:45:06.594-07:00Would anyone be irritated if I chose to go more wi...Would anyone be irritated if I chose to go more with the East-Right & West-Left version of the Oz Map?<br /><br />Will we also see the Land of Oz maps from the "Once Upon a Time Map Book" (which also includes fantasy lands of Peter Pan, Alice, Snow White, Jack and Aladdin) as well as from Dale Ulrey's "Wizard" and the "Return to Oz: Junior Novel"?<br /><br />If you don't have them, I would be VERY Happy to send you scans of them. With what little info I have myself . . .Samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397876293747859812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-58038378437760756132012-04-18T11:59:51.839-07:002012-04-18T11:59:51.839-07:00Yes, I do plan on discussing the Board game map.
...Yes, I do plan on discussing the Board game map.<br /><br />@Scott Olsen - Thanks for that I'd forgotten that BUGLE reference. I'll need to track it down.David Maxinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12672089188117065118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-66553913944660588772012-04-18T09:42:33.012-07:002012-04-18T09:42:33.012-07:00Not to jump the gun, but will you be discussing th...Not to jump the gun, but will you be discussing the 1921 Parker Bros. Wonderful Game of Oz map/board game?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-3710914604369776672012-04-17T14:47:00.330-07:002012-04-17T14:47:00.330-07:00It's a little strange that no one else really ...It's a little strange that no one else really explored the "rough area" of the Winkie Country, although I believe Thompson placed the Black Forest there.Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17838510995365876113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-10207488669562272422012-04-17T13:50:10.683-07:002012-04-17T13:50:10.683-07:00I had never given too much thought to this map, bu...I had never given too much thought to this map, but now that you mention it, I think you are right on all those points.<br />This map is possibly far more important to the east is left and west is right argument and that Baum's maps were intentional.<br /><br />I wish we had his notes and could get further insight into why he did this with no explanation.<br /><br />Oh dear, the 1920 version is the one with the flipped-flipped compass isn't it? The one that probably gave RPT all sorts of annoyances.saintfighteraquahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16195760262262189059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-18955681063990577772012-04-17T12:35:09.290-07:002012-04-17T12:35:09.290-07:00One of the Baum Bugles has the correspondence betw...One of the Baum Bugles has the correspondence between Baum and the publisher about this map and its placement in Lost Princess. He submitted the map to Reilly and Britton with the instructions that it be “redrawn” for the book. Baum concluded the note by saying (and I’m doing this by memory) that “nothing made more of a hit with the children than the maps used as endpapers for Tic-Tok.”Scott Olsennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-21847134557747532252012-04-17T12:21:11.422-07:002012-04-17T12:21:11.422-07:00Actually the map is almost exactly the same size a...Actually the map is almost exactly the same size as 1914 map. <br /><br />I think the illusion that it's smaller may be due to the fact the little logos (the corncob, castles, etc) are bigger, and the map is so much more densely packed with new locales, lettering, etc. The gray tone in the Quadling Country makes it look a bit smaller as well.<br /><br />But side by side the two are in fact the same size.David Maxinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12672089188117065118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8930190065426288711.post-63194453653608286882012-04-17T07:11:48.414-07:002012-04-17T07:11:48.414-07:00To my eyes, the LOST PRINCESS map seems to have Oz...To my eyes, the LOST PRINCESS map seems to have Oz looking somewhat smaller than in the 1914 one. I suppose that was to fit the proportions of the page.<br /><br />For some reason, Reilly & Lee never filled in their later maps with the new Winkie Country locations placed on this 1917 map until the 1968 Dick Martin ones (which followed his IWOC versions).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com